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Too difficult for students of philosophy - Albertosaurus Rex - Jul-07-2010 Well, I'm baffled. Recently, a new edition came out of The Elements of Moral Philosophy, a very good introduction to ethics. This new edition has been shortened and simplified. Yes, simplified. Stuart Rachels Wrote:In the new edition, I've replaced scores of "vocabulary words" with words that all students know. For example, I rewrote or deleted the sentences in the fifth edition in which these words appear: You know, as a Dutch freshman four years ago, these words never caused me any trouble. And he made these changes for a public whose native language is English. Surely philosophy students can be counted on to have a sizeable vocabulary? This is doing students a disservice. RE: Too difficult for students of philosophy - Nuytsia - Jul-14-2010 Hmmm I agree in general with his reasoning, but why were those words previously understandable and now they aren't? Ok some I can understand - who the heck uses the word 'alack' in the past 200 years?? I must admit there were a couple of words there I didn't precisely know the meaning of, but on the whole I don't think they'd have most native English speakers reaching for a dictionary. If he has another word that can exactly convey the meaning I think he should feel free to use it. However, I'd love to see what words he used instead of the ones he removed. I think I'd have a hard time coming up with substitutes that could adequately stand in for a lot of them. RE: Too difficult for students of philosophy - Albertosaurus Rex - Jul-14-2010 This page has extensive [Stuart Rachels does not approve this word] information about the changes between the fifth and sixth editions. The page numbers for each word are given, so it's fairly easy to track the replacements down. The phrase "Alas! Alack!" was used as an example of someone expressing an emotion (In response to the stock market going down.) This was part of a section describing the emotivistic viewpoint, in which ethical statements are regarded as emotive expressions in disguise, instead of fact-stating language. Just how low has people's vocabulary gotten when perfectly commonplace words like "shabby" and "latter" are on this list? Also consider the word "nonarbitrary". If you know what "arbitrary" means - and Rachels assumes that you do, since "arbitrary" isn't on this list - you have to be able to work out what "nonarbitrary" means. Gaaaah. RE: Too difficult for students of philosophy - 'thul - Jul-15-2010 These beings have noted a tendency within languages that indicate that the majority of those whose mother language is english speak it a bit worse than those who have learned it over several years study. They have also noted that some of them seem to think that because its their native language, they will naturally speak it fluently, and thus have a harder time accepting critisism. RE: Too difficult for students of philosophy - Nuytsia - Jul-15-2010 (Jul-14-2010, 06:03 PM (UTC))Albertosaurus Rex Wrote: The phrase "Alas! Alack!" was used as an example of someone expressing an emotion (In response to the stock market going down.) This was part of a section describing the emotivistic viewpoint, in which ethical statements are regarded as emotive expressions in disguise, instead of fact-stating language. Hehee I can not imagine ANYONE saying 'alas! alack!'........ I can think of a far more emotive phrase to express a response to the stock market going down..... Agreed, it's a bit scary to think people would have trouble with most of those words. But in general I dislike the use of unnecessarily elaborate language. 'thul I think native english speakers are a lot more casual with the language than people who have learned it as a second language who are a lot more correct in their usage. I would call myself fluent in my native language, but more often than not probably gramatically incorrect!!!! RE: Too difficult for students of philosophy - 'thul - Jul-15-2010 Indeed. There are many levels to "fluent"... RE: Too difficult for students of philosophy - Albertosaurus Rex - Jul-15-2010 I am currently in the process of composing an e-mail to Stuart Rachels, the author. However, I have to phrase it very carefully. While the main gist of it is "Your changes suck", I do understand that it was done with good intentions. (And criticism doesn't have to be mean, anyway.) RE: Too difficult for students of philosophy - Nuytsia - Jul-16-2010 I hope he doesn't reply with 'your email sucks' Well bring on the constructive criticism, it'll be interesting to see what he thinks. |