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RE: Small, random questions about RotE that still bother you - 'thul - Feb-21-2011
It is good 'thul are not the only ones pulling those straws.
RE: Small, random questions about RotE that still bother you - Nuytsia - Feb-21-2011
Hmmmm I really think some things are just the author rounding out the character....... maybe he just likes roses. I must say I didn't notice it myself (not that I am very observant!) and you do point out that roses are mentioned in connection with other characters as well. Possibly Robin Hobb likes roses
RE: Small, random questions about RotE that still bother you - fool-ish - May-09-2011
Going back to pronunciation..I tend to always be in the minority and read names and places completely wrong!
Chade - Ch as opposed to Sh
Burrich - same as above, Ch
Chalced - Chal-sed
But then we've got Chivalry which I pronounce as the word itself is pronounced (as in an act of chivalry) with a Sh...tis a strange thing.
RE: Small, random questions about RotE that still bother you - danieladamsmith - May-09-2011
(May-09-2011, 02:04 PM (UTC))fool-ish Wrote: Going back to pronunciation..I tend to always be in the minority and read names and places completely wrong!
Chade - Ch as opposed to Sh
Burrich - same as above, Ch
Chalced - Chal-sed
But then we've got Chivalry which I pronounce as the word itself is pronounced (as in an act of chivalry) with a Sh...tis a strange thing.
How about Chalice...?
RE: Small, random questions about RotE that still bother you - fool-ish - May-09-2011
(May-09-2011, 02:55 PM (UTC))danieladamsmith Wrote:Chalice is a ch(May-09-2011, 02:04 PM (UTC))fool-ish Wrote: Going back to pronunciation..I tend to always be in the minority and read names and places completely wrong!
Chade - Ch as opposed to Sh
Burrich - same as above, Ch
Chalced - Chal-sed
But then we've got Chivalry which I pronounce as the word itself is pronounced (as in an act of chivalry) with a Sh...tis a strange thing.
How about Chalice...?
RE: Small, random questions about RotE that still bother you - danieladamsmith - May-10-2011
(May-09-2011, 09:48 PM (UTC))fool-ish Wrote:(May-09-2011, 02:55 PM (UTC))danieladamsmith Wrote:Chalice is a ch(May-09-2011, 02:04 PM (UTC))fool-ish Wrote: Going back to pronunciation..I tend to always be in the minority and read names and places completely wrong!
Chade - Ch as opposed to Sh
Burrich - same as above, Ch
Chalced - Chal-sed
But then we've got Chivalry which I pronounce as the word itself is pronounced (as in an act of chivalry) with a Sh...tis a strange thing.
How about Chalice...?
exactly.
English is a bitch when it comes to pronunciation. Think about GH...ghost, laugh, tough, rough, dough....
It's one of the many things I love about German as a beginner. No matter what you know how to pronounce the word. There are no hidden or silent letters.
Think about LEICESTER in England pronounced LESTER...
RE: Small, random questions about RotE that still bother you - 'thul - May-10-2011
American English is far easier than British English. The ancient northern languages that used runes were also easier. Each rune represented only one sound. There was no such thing as the letter C, which can either be pronounced C or S...
RE: Small, random questions about RotE that still bother you - fool-ish - May-10-2011
(May-10-2011, 12:17 PM (UTC))danieladamsmith Wrote:I suppose it is a bitch when you think about it. The GH thing reminded me of my kids pronouncing draughts as drawts. And my son (18) still pronounces status as stattus even though I have never pronounced it like that, ever so I don't know where he got that from. He don't talk proper like what I do!(May-09-2011, 09:48 PM (UTC))fool-ish Wrote:(May-09-2011, 02:55 PM (UTC))danieladamsmith Wrote:Chalice is a ch(May-09-2011, 02:04 PM (UTC))fool-ish Wrote: Going back to pronunciation..I tend to always be in the minority and read names and places completely wrong!
Chade - Ch as opposed to Sh
Burrich - same as above, Ch
Chalced - Chal-sed
But then we've got Chivalry which I pronounce as the word itself is pronounced (as in an act of chivalry) with a Sh...tis a strange thing.
How about Chalice...?
exactly.
English is a bitch when it comes to pronunciation. Think about GH...ghost, laugh, tough, rough, dough....
It's one of the many things I love about German as a beginner. No matter what you know how to pronounce the word. There are no hidden or silent letters.
Think about LEICESTER in England pronounced LESTER...
RE: Small, random questions about RotE that still bother you - Omie - Jun-15-2011
Hello thar! I've been a fan of Robin Hobb for a couple of years but I've just got round to re-reading the whole series in one big Hobbathon. I'm smack bang in the middle of the Tawny Man series currently. Anyway, re-reading is providing me with some questions about the series. Such as:
- Is it possible to account for the fifteen years spent between the end of the Farseer books and the start of the Tawny Man?
- For that matter, how did the events of the Farseer books last from Fitz's first kill when he was fourteen (I think it said) to when he was twenty? Not enough years seem to have passed in those books, to me. Or maybe time flies when you're having fu- er - enduring endless torment in the pusuit of political espionage.
- Who or what is the 'Oracle of the Outislanders' mentioned briefly in an italic chapter-header in The Golden Fool? The book's all the long way upstairs and I can't be arsed getting it, but it's mentioned in what seems to be a historical scroll naming interesting tourist destinations of the Out Islands. It describes a cave housing a person who is said to be both beautiful naked woman and old crone, who the Outislanders dote gifts upon. I'm very tempted to think that it is The Black Man in an earlier setting, mainly because I like to think that the Fool is not the only Prophet who displays a lenitude towards gender and identity.
- How in the name of too many vowels does one go about pronouncing Jhaampe?
RE: Small, random questions about RotE that still bother you - Farseer - Jun-16-2011
(Jun-15-2011, 11:54 PM (UTC))Omie Wrote: Hello thar!
G'day Omie and welcome to thePlenty!
(Jun-15-2011, 11:54 PM (UTC))Omie Wrote: I've been a fan of Robin Hobb for a couple of years but I've just got round to re-reading the whole series in one big Hobbathon. I'm smack bang in the middle of the Tawny Man series currently.
Ah, there's nothing in life that a good Hobbathon can't fix...!
(Jun-15-2011, 11:54 PM (UTC))Omie Wrote: - Is it possible to account for the fifteen years spent between the end of the Farseer books and the start of the Tawny Man?
Do you mean that you feel that not enough happened in the books to warrant a passing of fifteen years? Given all that took place during the Liveship Traders, and also what FItz himself covered during his retelling of his experiences to Fool at the beginning of FE, I believe the years are well accounted for.
For myself, the last fifteen years of my life have flown...and I would be hard pressed to explain how I have filled them. Far easier if I had, in the interim, met liveships and Elderlings, sought out a nine-fingered slave boy, walked the Cursed Shores with my wolf or ventured to and from the Mountain Kingdom. Possibly all I share with Fitz, Kettricken or Molly over a fifteen-year timeframe is that I have been busy is the task of child-rearing!
(Jun-15-2011, 11:54 PM (UTC))Omie Wrote: - For that matter, how did the events of the Farseer books last from Fitz's first kill when he was fourteen (I think it said) to when he was twenty? Not enough years seem to have passed in those books, to me.
It is surprising how many weeks slip by for Fitz when he and Nighteyes are just out and about (while some readers consider that some things drag, there are other times when weeks or even months seem to pass in a matter of sentences), particularly 'after' his death. I imagine it took quite some time for him to finally come back to himself initially (from wolf to man) and he got rather waylaid, a number of times, on his way to the Mountain Kingdom and beyond.
(Jun-15-2011, 11:54 PM (UTC))Omie Wrote: Or maybe time flies when you're having fu- er - enduring endless torment in the pusuit of political espionage.
No doubt
, though I hope I never find out the truth of that!(Jun-15-2011, 11:54 PM (UTC))Omie Wrote: - Who or what is the 'Oracle of the Outislanders' mentioned briefly in an italic chapter-header in The Golden Fool? The book's all the long way upstairs and I can't be arsed getting it, but it's mentioned in what seems to be a historical scroll naming interesting tourist destinations of the Out Islands. It describes a cave housing a person who is said to be both beautiful naked woman and old crone, who the Outislanders dote gifts upon. I'm very tempted to think that it is The Black Man in an earlier setting, mainly because I like to think that the Fool is not the only Prophet who displays a lenitude towards gender and identity.
Others' Island is also said to have an oracle however we know that the Others are capable of using glamour to make themselves 'appear' to be a beautiful, naked woman with foretelling abilities that are taken from She Who Remembers (who the Others themselves call 'our oracle').
The evidence shows that Fool is well versed and capable in the ways of glamour, as is The Pale Woman, so there is no reason why it could not be the same for The Black Man/Pilkrop.
Some of us have touched on this topic of an Outislander oracle/Pilkrop etc elsewhere so I will try and find the links to those discussions for you as well.
(Jun-15-2011, 11:54 PM (UTC))Omie Wrote: - How in the name of too many vowels does one go about pronouncing Jhaampe?
Not sure about anyone else but I say it as Jam (rhymes with Sam
) - p. I am certain I have also heard Robin read it or say it as such (??), though she herself says that how we pronounce it is up to us!