Jun-08-2010, 05:16 AM (UTC)
(This post was last modified: Jun-08-2010, 05:21 AM (UTC) by Farseer.)
Yes, you DO need to get your hands on 'Words Like Coins'!!
I'm still trying to sort out WHY and HOW an Others-spun cocoon would work...
Ok, what do we know? An Other is the result of a dragon's 'birthing' (not the correct term!) where the dragon has been over-exposed to Elderlings/humans. The purpose of a cocoon, in the normal cycle of events, is for the metamorphosis of a serpent to a dragon.
At the stage of emergence, a dragon tends to take on dragon memories via the wizardwood casing and usually leaves behind those memories gained as a serpent (as well as other examples, evidence of this can be seen from what happens with the dragons in the RWC books, when they are initially confused by the liveship Tarman, despite having been exposed for quite some time to Vivacia and Paragon when they were in serpent form in LST).
The question is...given that Others are technically more human than dragon, would they mate and then create a cocoon from which a pecksie could emerge OR would they give birth in a more human-like fashion eg to even more Others (no metamorphosis takes place, therefore no cocoon is required)??
The problem I have with pecksies being the result of an Others' mating is:
From where did the extra Others come from to replenish those who were destroyed by She Who Remembers when she was escaping? SWR tells of destroying all of the Others who came down to the beach to prevent her escape and yet, when Fitz and Dutiful went to Others Island, there were still quite a few Others on the island. Is this because they had reproduced in that time OR because not all Others had gone down to the beach to stop SWR, and so some had survived? Were these left over Others otherwise busy in their hide-out (the one Kennit refers to, that is in the forest) and therefore this is how they avoided being killed by SWR?
If there were more at the time of Fitz's visit because they had reproduced, then the Others must have given live birth to more Others, and not pecksies? Although, as some dragons can reproduce both dragons AND Others, possibly Others can give birth to yet more Others AND also pecksies. I know what I'm trying to say, even if you all don't
..just trying to make LP's theory work in my mind!!!
Hmm...there certainly seems to be enough memory stone on Others Island for the Others to create a pecksie cocoon, and the memory stone path which Kennit, Wintrow and Etta etc walked on through the forest is proof that memory stone does exist there in a ground form, such as it exists at the cocooning grounds in the Rain Wilds.
Given that a pecksie would not have to have an issue with staying on Others Island, there is no reason why, once emerged from a cocoon, it couldn't then use the Skill pillars off-shore of Others Island to travel to areas in the Six Duchies (or elsewhere in the RotE but the Six Duchies is where we definitely know they exist, thanks to 'Words Like Coins'). Still thinking...
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Hmm...in the above it gets a bit confusing because an Other is really more a cross between a serpent and a human, not a dragon and a human, and serpents don't reproduce...dragons do! In this, possibly I am looking at it all from the wrong perspective
!
I'm still trying to sort out WHY and HOW an Others-spun cocoon would work...
Ok, what do we know? An Other is the result of a dragon's 'birthing' (not the correct term!) where the dragon has been over-exposed to Elderlings/humans. The purpose of a cocoon, in the normal cycle of events, is for the metamorphosis of a serpent to a dragon.
At the stage of emergence, a dragon tends to take on dragon memories via the wizardwood casing and usually leaves behind those memories gained as a serpent (as well as other examples, evidence of this can be seen from what happens with the dragons in the RWC books, when they are initially confused by the liveship Tarman, despite having been exposed for quite some time to Vivacia and Paragon when they were in serpent form in LST).
The question is...given that Others are technically more human than dragon, would they mate and then create a cocoon from which a pecksie could emerge OR would they give birth in a more human-like fashion eg to even more Others (no metamorphosis takes place, therefore no cocoon is required)??
The problem I have with pecksies being the result of an Others' mating is:
From where did the extra Others come from to replenish those who were destroyed by She Who Remembers when she was escaping? SWR tells of destroying all of the Others who came down to the beach to prevent her escape and yet, when Fitz and Dutiful went to Others Island, there were still quite a few Others on the island. Is this because they had reproduced in that time OR because not all Others had gone down to the beach to stop SWR, and so some had survived? Were these left over Others otherwise busy in their hide-out (the one Kennit refers to, that is in the forest) and therefore this is how they avoided being killed by SWR?
If there were more at the time of Fitz's visit because they had reproduced, then the Others must have given live birth to more Others, and not pecksies? Although, as some dragons can reproduce both dragons AND Others, possibly Others can give birth to yet more Others AND also pecksies. I know what I'm trying to say, even if you all don't
..just trying to make LP's theory work in my mind!!!Hmm...there certainly seems to be enough memory stone on Others Island for the Others to create a pecksie cocoon, and the memory stone path which Kennit, Wintrow and Etta etc walked on through the forest is proof that memory stone does exist there in a ground form, such as it exists at the cocooning grounds in the Rain Wilds.
Given that a pecksie would not have to have an issue with staying on Others Island, there is no reason why, once emerged from a cocoon, it couldn't then use the Skill pillars off-shore of Others Island to travel to areas in the Six Duchies (or elsewhere in the RotE but the Six Duchies is where we definitely know they exist, thanks to 'Words Like Coins'). Still thinking...
!Hmm...in the above it gets a bit confusing because an Other is really more a cross between a serpent and a human, not a dragon and a human, and serpents don't reproduce...dragons do! In this, possibly I am looking at it all from the wrong perspective
!
"I am the Catalyst, and I came to change all things. Prophets become warriors, dragons hunt as wolves."
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