Jul-20-2010, 02:26 PM (UTC)
(This post was last modified: Jul-20-2010, 02:30 PM (UTC) by Farseer.)
So much to think about and I am still trying to get my head around most of it.
I can see that! Forest serves first the interests of the forest and the forest-dwellers. That it differs to the magic of the plainspeople suggests that, if Forest is an old god, then possibly the magic of the plains is an old god also (or was, as the Spindle was shattered) ?
I have something else to add but will pop that in my other thread so we can compare things free of spoilers. A great way for Robin to make us curious about these other gods, and do some digging though...telling us there are others but only firmly introducing us to one!
Oh, absolutely. That it directs things such as the writing of Nevare’s journal, the on-going saga with the rock/gold etc, particularly over long periods of time, shows us that it is an intelligent, conscious being/force. Its ability to be able to analyze and know Nevare (and others) so thoroughly, and predict his movements and all possible outcomes from these decisions, isn't the working of some 'random' magic....certainly backs up the theory of it being a god or at least god-like. The power it wields is terrifying!
Hmm, I’m still thinking on it but what do you think about the gods who fought for Nevare. Orandula was one, it seems, but who was the other? I assumed it was the “good god”, but Orandula just didn’t want to admit this to Nevare OR was it Forest?
I thought that at first, too, but don’t think that’s the case now. Will have to think on it more and come back to justify. I’m still a bit with it , especially given that the life was to balance that of the bird Nevare freed. I do have a comment to make regarding the life/death thing on the other thread though.
I loved that Orandula was sheepish too, and this admission made him seem much less onerous to me...I began to think more on his role as a god of balances rather than a god of death.
Maybe Tiber’s allowing Nevare to escape after he had offered his death balances well because, similarly, Nevare allowed the bird to escape, after it had given its death to Orandula? Still thinking though!
Yes, me too, and it makes me think about those small things in my life that I think don’t really matter but just MIGHT, in the long run!
More to add soon !!!
That is not to say that Forest ONLY thinks of or serves the forest etc. Rather, he prefers peace and has an awareness of all who inhabit the land, and thus also fully takes these others into his considerations/plans?
(Jul-19-2010, 10:13 AM (UTC))Chrischa Wrote: I wonder if the magic of the Specks and Forest, as Orondula speaks about it, are one and the same being and if that being is one of the old gods.
I can see that! Forest serves first the interests of the forest and the forest-dwellers. That it differs to the magic of the plainspeople suggests that, if Forest is an old god, then possibly the magic of the plains is an old god also (or was, as the Spindle was shattered) ?
I have something else to add but will pop that in my other thread so we can compare things free of spoilers. A great way for Robin to make us curious about these other gods, and do some digging though...telling us there are others but only firmly introducing us to one!
(Jul-19-2010, 10:13 AM (UTC))Chrischa Wrote: This magic seems to be a sentient being with the ability to see into the future and to directly interfere in the physical world by using people as it's hands and eyes.
Oh, absolutely. That it directs things such as the writing of Nevare’s journal, the on-going saga with the rock/gold etc, particularly over long periods of time, shows us that it is an intelligent, conscious being/force. Its ability to be able to analyze and know Nevare (and others) so thoroughly, and predict his movements and all possible outcomes from these decisions, isn't the working of some 'random' magic....certainly backs up the theory of it being a god or at least god-like. The power it wields is terrifying!
(Jul-19-2010, 10:13 AM (UTC))Chrischa Wrote: From snippets throughout the books, it seems as if these old gods were very real and took a noticable role in people's lives.
Aside from that, this new religion with the "good god" seems to be on the fast way out. Towards the end of the book, you see the first signs of the church letting up on it's own rules (with it's usual convulted spin on things), giving in to political pressure and convenience. Typical human behaviour if there is no actual god to say; hang about!
Hmm, I’m still thinking on it but what do you think about the gods who fought for Nevare. Orandula was one, it seems, but who was the other? I assumed it was the “good god”, but Orandula just didn’t want to admit this to Nevare OR was it Forest?
(Jul-19-2010, 10:13 AM (UTC))Chrischa Wrote: A very interesting dilemma: give your life or your death. I still don't quite know the full significance of both choices.
I assume that, if you were to give your life, you'd spend the rest of your days in service to this god. Give your death, and you'd spend an eternity serving him.
But those are the obvious conclusions so most likely incorrect!
I thought that at first, too, but don’t think that’s the case now. Will have to think on it more and come back to justify. I’m still a bit with it , especially given that the life was to balance that of the bird Nevare freed. I do have a comment to make regarding the life/death thing on the other thread though.
(Jul-19-2010, 10:13 AM (UTC))Chrischa Wrote: Nevare's choice clearly went wrong, as Orondula himself admits, he shouldn't have been alive anymore in any way if it hadn't been for Lisana's second division of his being. (One of my favourite lines in the book is when Orondula admits to feeling rather sheepish - can you imagine a god feeling rather sheepishly? )
So what went wrong, what was supposed to happen and why did Orondula consider the balance restored (and himself in the role of a good god) when Scout Tiber let Nevare escape?
I loved that Orandula was sheepish too, and this admission made him seem much less onerous to me...I began to think more on his role as a god of balances rather than a god of death.
Maybe Tiber’s allowing Nevare to escape after he had offered his death balances well because, similarly, Nevare allowed the bird to escape, after it had given its death to Orandula? Still thinking though!
(Jul-19-2010, 10:13 AM (UTC))Chrischa Wrote: One thing I really like about the series is how the smallest things turn out to have the greatest significance, and not Nevare's larger decisions.
Yes, me too, and it makes me think about those small things in my life that I think don’t really matter but just MIGHT, in the long run!
More to add soon !!!
(Jul-20-2010, 02:26 PM (UTC))Farseer Wrote: Forest serves first the interests of the forest and the forest-dwellers.
That is not to say that Forest ONLY thinks of or serves the forest etc. Rather, he prefers peace and has an awareness of all who inhabit the land, and thus also fully takes these others into his considerations/plans?
"I am the Catalyst, and I came to change all things. Prophets become warriors, dragons hunt as wolves."