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[split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender
Offline Mervi
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Mar-03-2011, 09:05 PM (UTC) (This post was last modified: Mar-03-2011, 09:10 PM (UTC) by Mervi.)
Hehee, I think I should split the conversation since we're so off-topic now. Just to add a few bits to the pot:

- As similar as Mervi looks to Mervyn (and its variants) or Merve (which is in use in Turkey and was also an ancient city somewhere in modern Iran I think) it has nothing to do with either name. It was first used as a first name in 1911 and is said to be derived from the name of a medieval mansion here in Finland - but no one seems to know the actual etymology (which bothers me quite a bit).

- I've always thought that the obsession that some languages have (I'm looking at you, German and Spanish) to define EVERYTHING with a gender and then letting it affect how the rest of the sentence is formed is rather silly. Stirring How can I know whether lettuce is "female" or broccoli "male" in the minds of Spanish people? (For the record, I don't, those were just examples.) The first few words in German I learned were: das Auto, der Hund und die Katze. Look, I understand that non-living objects are gender-neutral. But animals? I think labeling dogs as masculine and cats as feminine has HUGE implications, both for the animals and for what is considered "feminine" or "masculine" in humans.

- That being said, while we only have gender-neutral pronouns and don't use gender-defining articles (err actually we don't have articles at all OH THE SHOCK, THE HORROR P ) we do have rather strict name laws that prevent (among other things) giving a "girl's" name to a boy or the other way around. Most, although not all, Finnish names are clearly boy or girl names. There have been a couple of recorded males with my name in the past though, before the name laws changed and there are still a handful of names that, when you hear them you can't be sure of the gender (especially since you can't use a gendered pronoun to give that detail). Those are mostly "old people's names" though and not fashionable so it's almost rare to hear them now.


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Messages In This Thread
[split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by 'thul - Mar-02-2011, 09:07 AM (UTC)
RE: [split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by 'thul - Mar-03-2011, 09:33 PM (UTC)
RE: [split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by redchild - Mar-04-2011, 04:35 AM (UTC)
RE: [split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by Farseer - Mar-04-2011, 10:55 AM (UTC)
RE: [split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by 'thul - Mar-04-2011, 08:51 AM (UTC)
RE: [split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by 'thul - Mar-06-2011, 09:21 PM (UTC)
RE: [split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by Paragon-Athena - Mar-07-2011, 09:32 AM (UTC)
RE: [split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by 'thul - Mar-07-2011, 09:49 AM (UTC)
RE: [split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by Farseer - Mar-07-2011, 09:51 AM (UTC)
RE: [split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by 'thul - Mar-07-2011, 10:38 AM (UTC)
RE: [split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by Mervi - Mar-07-2011, 01:44 PM (UTC)
RE: [split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by Farseer - Mar-13-2011, 08:58 AM (UTC)
RE: [split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by joost - Mar-13-2011, 09:08 AM (UTC)
RE: [split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by 'thul - Mar-09-2011, 01:18 PM (UTC)
RE: [split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by redchild - Mar-10-2011, 10:33 AM (UTC)
RE: [split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by joost - Mar-10-2011, 04:18 PM (UTC)
RE: [split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by Farseer - Mar-10-2011, 08:29 PM (UTC)
RE: [split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by 'thul - Mar-10-2011, 08:37 PM (UTC)
RE: [split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by Farseer - Mar-13-2011, 10:10 AM (UTC)
RE: [split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by joost - Mar-13-2011, 12:29 PM (UTC)
RE: [split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by Nuytsia - Jun-08-2011, 03:02 PM (UTC)
RE: [split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by Albertosaurus Rex - Jun-08-2011, 03:05 PM (UTC)
RE: [split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by 'thul - Jun-08-2011, 03:12 PM (UTC)
RE: [split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by redchild - Jun-10-2011, 10:21 AM (UTC)
RE: [split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by joost - Jun-10-2011, 07:14 PM (UTC)
RE: [split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by Albertosaurus Rex - Jun-10-2011, 09:23 PM (UTC)
RE: [split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by Farseer - Jun-10-2011, 11:43 AM (UTC)
RE: Did you know... you have an account for the wiki as well? - by Nuytsia - Mar-02-2011, 02:54 PM (UTC)
RE: [split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by KekPafrany - Sep-15-2013, 11:19 AM (UTC)
RE: Did you know... you have an account for the wiki as well? - by 'thul - Mar-02-2011, 04:31 PM (UTC)
RE: Did you know... you have an account for the wiki as well? - by Farseer - Mar-03-2011, 03:43 AM (UTC)
RE: [split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by redchild - Mar-04-2011, 10:09 AM (UTC)
RE: [split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by Farseer - Mar-04-2011, 07:32 PM (UTC)
RE: [split] Names, pronouns, articles... and gender - by redchild - Mar-07-2011, 10:10 AM (UTC)
RE: Did you know... you have an account for the wiki as well? - by 'thul - Mar-03-2011, 07:58 AM (UTC)
RE: Did you know... you have an account for the wiki as well? - by Farseer - Mar-03-2011, 10:08 AM (UTC)
RE: Did you know... you have an account for the wiki as well? - by 'thul - Mar-03-2011, 10:57 AM (UTC)
RE: Did you know... you have an account for the wiki as well? - by Mervi - Mar-03-2011, 09:05 PM (UTC)
RE: Did you know... you have an account for the wiki as well? - by Nuytsia - Mar-09-2011, 12:53 PM (UTC)



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