Apr-05-2010, 04:37 AM (UTC)
(This post was last modified: Apr-05-2010, 04:45 AM (UTC) by Sai Jackal.)
I quite agree with apples, I've just finished the series as well, and am feeling very similar.
As to a few of the things raised in replies.
Fitz had decided not to return to molly, before he gave his memories to girl-on-a-dragon. Kettle explained to Fitz, quite correctly, that their love was a child's love, and not perfect, that he was focusing on only the positive aspects, and completely avoiding the fact that they constantly fought etc. He agreed to this and admitted to himself that she was right. This happened before molly and burrich got together.
More so, she was right. The love between molly and fitz made sense when it started. But the fact that they ended up together, that fitz never found meaning with any other woman.. just seems ridiculous to me.
Also, when did women start jumping from husband to husband like this? the way that aspect was handled felt incredibly untrue. Fitz dies, molly and burrich get married, have 6 children? spend 15 years together.. then burrich dies, and molly hops back to fitz?
And pretending Fitz was practically forged seems over zealous. In the beginning of the tawny man triliogy fitz seems to be quite happy in his life of seclusion. And he has earned it. There's no eluding to this being because he was forged, but instead simply because he spent his formidable years a tool for the crown, and is tired of it. Then when it's convenient it's because he was almost forged, his entire life in that cabin was pointless, and the only reason any of it happened was because of girl on a dragon.
Verity didn't seem forged.. and he'd put almost all of himself into his dragon, fitz threw but a small fraction of things into girl on a dragon. The fool himself spent more time carving her, and we aren't told his every action since then has been because of what he put into girl on a dragon.
Also, someone mentioned that for the fool to stay in fitzes life, that this "could" negatively effect the future. But isn't that true of anyone? The fool has no visions any longer, he is in every respect, aside from his longevity very human now. There is no "supernatural" aspect to him. So how does the fool affect fitzs life negatively compared to kettricken? or chade.. or any of the characters surrounding the catalyst. The fools simply another person now.. So the fool could tell him something, and that something could turn out to be bad advice, could affect the future in negative ways.. Molly could do this.. or anyone else that has lips and says anything to fitz.
Fitz has almost died, been brought back from death, countless times. Could you not also say he is in danger of affecting things negatively from simply existing as well?
My main problem with this, is that the ending to the farseer trilogy, felt right. But because the series continued, suddenly all of that sound logic that was applied for that series, comes unraveled and is rendered incorrect, because the story continued, and it's happier for fitz to have this ending instead. By that same logic does another trilogy come along, and the way this series ended become irrelevant as well?
We are told things in these books, led to believe things, and then when continuity gets in the way those things are shoved aside. By logic that fitz himself once said "you could drive a herd of cattle through"
As to fitz extending his own life. Kettle was 200, she did not look 200, she looked less than half that age. So I do not believe you spend your added days in a broken body, with simply a younger "spirit" You extend your life, but eventually time will catch up with you, no matter how talented you are. Also, Kettle had not been able to skill herself younger for a very long time, she had been cut off from the magic. So there is no telling how exactly she would have looked. And saying it's wrong seems foolish. If Kettle had not extended her life.. verity would never have finished his dragon, fitz would have been captured by burl.. etc.
The reason that fitz felt that he could overuse his reserves, was because fitz was brought back from the edge of death. By people not fully trained in the skill. Extending your life, slowly, would not have the same effect it had on him then, if it was done periodically.
So yes, all things must die, and death gives meaning to life. But how exactly is that tied to a human lifespan? so your life is rendered meaningless if you live to be 150 instead of 100? or 200 instead of 80?
As to a few of the things raised in replies.
Fitz had decided not to return to molly, before he gave his memories to girl-on-a-dragon. Kettle explained to Fitz, quite correctly, that their love was a child's love, and not perfect, that he was focusing on only the positive aspects, and completely avoiding the fact that they constantly fought etc. He agreed to this and admitted to himself that she was right. This happened before molly and burrich got together.
More so, she was right. The love between molly and fitz made sense when it started. But the fact that they ended up together, that fitz never found meaning with any other woman.. just seems ridiculous to me.
Also, when did women start jumping from husband to husband like this? the way that aspect was handled felt incredibly untrue. Fitz dies, molly and burrich get married, have 6 children? spend 15 years together.. then burrich dies, and molly hops back to fitz?
And pretending Fitz was practically forged seems over zealous. In the beginning of the tawny man triliogy fitz seems to be quite happy in his life of seclusion. And he has earned it. There's no eluding to this being because he was forged, but instead simply because he spent his formidable years a tool for the crown, and is tired of it. Then when it's convenient it's because he was almost forged, his entire life in that cabin was pointless, and the only reason any of it happened was because of girl on a dragon.
Verity didn't seem forged.. and he'd put almost all of himself into his dragon, fitz threw but a small fraction of things into girl on a dragon. The fool himself spent more time carving her, and we aren't told his every action since then has been because of what he put into girl on a dragon.
Also, someone mentioned that for the fool to stay in fitzes life, that this "could" negatively effect the future. But isn't that true of anyone? The fool has no visions any longer, he is in every respect, aside from his longevity very human now. There is no "supernatural" aspect to him. So how does the fool affect fitzs life negatively compared to kettricken? or chade.. or any of the characters surrounding the catalyst. The fools simply another person now.. So the fool could tell him something, and that something could turn out to be bad advice, could affect the future in negative ways.. Molly could do this.. or anyone else that has lips and says anything to fitz.
Fitz has almost died, been brought back from death, countless times. Could you not also say he is in danger of affecting things negatively from simply existing as well?
My main problem with this, is that the ending to the farseer trilogy, felt right. But because the series continued, suddenly all of that sound logic that was applied for that series, comes unraveled and is rendered incorrect, because the story continued, and it's happier for fitz to have this ending instead. By that same logic does another trilogy come along, and the way this series ended become irrelevant as well?
We are told things in these books, led to believe things, and then when continuity gets in the way those things are shoved aside. By logic that fitz himself once said "you could drive a herd of cattle through"
As to fitz extending his own life. Kettle was 200, she did not look 200, she looked less than half that age. So I do not believe you spend your added days in a broken body, with simply a younger "spirit" You extend your life, but eventually time will catch up with you, no matter how talented you are. Also, Kettle had not been able to skill herself younger for a very long time, she had been cut off from the magic. So there is no telling how exactly she would have looked. And saying it's wrong seems foolish. If Kettle had not extended her life.. verity would never have finished his dragon, fitz would have been captured by burl.. etc.
The reason that fitz felt that he could overuse his reserves, was because fitz was brought back from the edge of death. By people not fully trained in the skill. Extending your life, slowly, would not have the same effect it had on him then, if it was done periodically.
So yes, all things must die, and death gives meaning to life. But how exactly is that tied to a human lifespan? so your life is rendered meaningless if you live to be 150 instead of 100? or 200 instead of 80?
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