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RE: Translations and covers in other countries - 'thul - Jan-31-2012

These beings did not check the details when guessing there. If the railing is different, then it obviously is another liveship. It could be ophelia, and it could be some other female liveship.

What color hair did Vivicia have again?

also, Paragon looks quite powerful there, yes.


RE: Translations and covers in other countries - joost - Jan-31-2012

Vivacia:
[...]She has golden colored locks of hair[...]

Ophelia
[...]Her figurehead is located on the beakhead, not below the bowsprit[...]

So book #3 is Vivacia. The figurehead in #1 is too high to be Ophelia.


RE: Translations and covers in other countries - 'thul - Jan-31-2012

Thought as much. Though it is long since 'thul read LST, black hair did not compute on her.

The ships in the LST books do not really have a well-defined bowsprit the way more typical tall ships have on Tellus.


RE: Translations and covers in other countries (beware RotE spoilers) - finella - Feb-03-2012

I don't like the new covers at all Uhhuh. To me they look somehow cheap and sensational.
Also I remember Ophelia as the motherly type of figurehead and family-ship. She sometimes could become a bit nasty, she was cheating when playing cards or so, but in a way she was very matronly. That cover doesn't fit to my mental picture of her at all.
I own the 1999 UK HC edition of the Liveship Traders. THAT are beautiful covers. Does anybody know them?


RE: Translations and covers in other countries (beware RotE spoilers) - 'thul - Feb-03-2012

True. The ships don't match the description of Ophelia. It was merely a guess from 'thul, since that was one of few named liveships that were female. The ones 'thul recall now as named and gendered were Vivacia, Ophelia, Paragon, Kendry. (excluding barges like Tarman)
No doubt a quick look in the wiki would reveal another few.


RE: Translations and covers in other countries - Farseer - Feb-04-2012

(Jan-31-2012, 01:10 PM (UTC))thul Wrote: Thought as much. Though it is long since 'thul read LST, black hair did not compute on her.

I'd say that the first cover is Bolt (Vivacia with her dragon aspect holding the position of ascendancy), the second Paragon and the third Vivacia . I know that Bolt was described as having black hair at one point, and I think she even went so far as having silverish glints or some such as that reminded me of memory stone. Bolt's eyes were also black/dark, differing in colour to Vivacia's eyes. I like that the artist has obviously read the books and unearthed this subtle distinction between Vivacia and Bolt's aspects but they are in the incorrect order at present...SOM should depict Vivacia and SOD should depict Bolt.

The thing that I don't like about the covers in the depiction of Paragon. His face is intact where it shouldn't be.

^ Erk...okay...just went back a page and took a better look at the pics AND your other posts...yes, the actual ship railing in the first and third covers look entirely different (aside from the figurehead differences as well). Hmm...

I have to agree that I took Ophelia to be somewhat 'matronly', not to mention 'ample', though she was vain and sassy so...

...more research may be required! Surrender Big Grin


RE: Translations and covers in other countries (beware RotE spoilers) - Farseer - Feb-04-2012

Just a thought on Vivacia...while she did change physically during her transformation as Bolt (to have black hair and dark eyes), I'm fairly certain that she did also change once more when she became a 'merged' or 'whole' version of both herself and Bolt. I don't recall her hair changing back to her previous blonde locks but I do remember that Althea had noticed her eyes had changed their green colour...which possibly suggests that by the time Althea had seen her again, she had changed/reverted pretty much back to her former colouring with only slight changes eg in that she closely resembled the Vivacia of old, and not so much Bolt, but with some small changes? If so, this then could be in line with the blonde hair of the figurehead on the final cover?

Possibly there is something about Ophelia's colouring mentioned where she suggested changing her hair at one stage. I think this happened during a conversation with Grag, Althea and Tomie when she was hoping that Amber could recarve her burned hands (which later did happen)?

If only I had a Kindle or some such to search with...! Anyone here have one?


RE: Translations and covers in other countries (beware RotE spoilers) - 'thul - Feb-04-2012

These beings have all of them in digital form, so they copied a few sections describing her...

Judging from the above quotes, it does not appear that Ophelia changed her hair. Mind you, this is only from the first book and a half.
She tried convincing her captain to allow restructured hair, but obviously it did not happen.


RE: Translations and covers in other countries (beware RotE spoilers) - finella - Feb-04-2012

(Feb-04-2012, 10:23 AM (UTC))Farseer Wrote: Possibly there is something about Ophelia's colouring mentioned where she suggested changing her hair at one stage. I think this happened during a conversation with Grag, Althea and Tomie when she was hoping that Amber could recarve her burned hands (which later did happen)?

If only I had a Kindle or some such to search with...! Anyone here have one?
I have a Kindle and started searching for Ophelia (one of my favorite characters). And right away stuck in one of my favorite scenses with her. When Grag and Tomie Tenira told Althea, that they know who she is and what the three of them (including Ophelia) have cooked up for her so that she can stay aboard as Althea. THAT is soooo funny ""Grag was easy, of course, Grag's always easy, aren't you, my lamb?" (Ophelia said that) She didn't wait for the mate' murmured assent." My lamb - I roll around with laughter. Sorry for this short excursion. I go on searching, as I couldn't find something about Ophelia's colour.



RE: Translations and covers in other countries - Farseer - Feb-10-2012

(Feb-04-2012, 05:27 AM (UTC))Farseer Wrote: I like that the artist has obviously read the books and unearthed this subtle distinction between Vivacia and Bolt's aspects but they are in the incorrect order at present...SOM should depict Vivacia and SOD should depict Bolt.

I've been looking at the John Howe cover of Ship of Magic for days (seeing as I'm supposed to be re-reading it!) and have only just realised something...he too depicted his ship, Vivacia, as having dark hair on his cover. Who else could it really be but Vivacia? I always just assumed that's who it was and the figure standing up the front was Althea...despite the fact that Althea also has the wrong hair colour. Smiling They should be changed around.

Interesting that both covers would depict a ship with dark hair, especially if both are meant to depict Vivacia despite her having blonde hair and green eyes until she became Bolt.

(Feb-04-2012, 05:27 AM (UTC))Farseer Wrote: The thing that I don't like about the covers in the depiction of Paragon. His face is intact where it shouldn't be.

I had to come back and explain this as it comes across as overly abrupt, I think! Undecided I actually like everything else about the picture of Paragon except that is face is still intact...yes, that's better. Smiling

It's 2:54am. I'm going for a sleep for an hour or so...I've had to make three edits on this thing already! Big Grin