Jul-09-2009, 02:12 AM (UTC)
(This post was last modified: Jul-09-2009, 02:27 AM (UTC) by Mervi.)
First of all - thanks for starting the second thread and sorry I wasn't here to help you - I've been scared of spoilers since I accidentally read information about the recurring characters in a random blog. But I've just finished the book so I'm back at trying to manage things.
Regarding the question on how to handle spoilers (in general): if you're mentioning something that you think might spoil the plot (for example you compare Fitz and Nevare in a topic that is not a discussion about the Soldier Son books), you should use the spoiler tags for the Fitz parts. Some people might have started reading the SS trilogy first but haven't read the Elderling stories. I know there are also some who have skipped the Liveships, or started with them, but I believe most people have read the Elderling trilogies in the chronological order, so there's no need to blanket things told in the Farseers when discussing the Tawny Man books etc. On the other hand fewer people have read the short stories so things from them should probably be mentioned between the s-tags. There are a few things in the trilogy of trilogies that I think are HUGE spoilers and should ALWAYS be treated carefully - namely the identify of a certain bead maker in LST and the character deaths in FE and FF.
But if a topic is clearly titled for example "Cloven Hooves" there's no need to use the tags inside it. I think the only exception to that is a topic for discussion WHILE reading a BRAND NEW book - a topic like this one, if you guys do want to have separate topics for "while reading" and "finished" in the future - it's fine with me. :smile:
[spoiler=WARNING! Contains high levels of serpent venom... err I mean Dragon names and Hest/Sedric.]
I didn't find the scene(s) with Hest and Sedric controversial at all. I'm actually a bit confused that someone used the word "rape" - the only raping that I think was described was the one time Hest forced Alise to bed with him when she clearly stated "not tonight". I don't think either one of them considered it a rape because as Traders they see everything in the light of contracts and fulfilling them, but what happened was clearly against Alise's will at that moment and she had made it very clear. And then there was of course the mating-attempt that Sintara describes with repulsion...
But the way I understood Sedric's memory of his first encounter with Hest, there was nothing that would indicate it happened against his will. Yeah sure, Sedric was hesitant/scared at first, and most of all tried to act as if he wasn't interested but he's clearly described realizing that this is what he wants and quite quickly responding to Hest. It's very different from those "... but in the end she actually enjoyed what happened to her" descriptions.
BTW, I didn't find Sedric "piggy" at all. Surely he's a bit annoying with his obsessive needs to have "nice things"
but I think he's a character we will see to grow and develop (á la Malta). I think the very ending of the book, the last lines before the final Bird Keeper exchange are an indication of that. Hest on the other hand... I have a feeling he's pretty much set in his ways, much like Kyle Haven was.
The serpents/dragons! :heart:
I thought it was pretty obvious that Mercor must be dear [[Maulkin]] - not only because of his physical features but because his somewhat gentle nature and philosophical musings.
For the rest of them... I'm not sure. I hope very much that the silver one with the wounded tail who seems to be slowly awakening to more intelligence willl turn out to be [[Carrion]] (though I don't think it was ever stated in Ship of Destiny what happened to him).
We know for sure from [[Shreever]] (who ends SoD) that she, [[Sessurea]], Maulkin and [[Kelaro]] managed to build cocoons for themselves. We also know that [[Tellur]] and [[Sylic]] never made it. I have a feeling that Sintara might actually be Shreever - it would make sense her voice carries from the end of SoD to the prologue of TDK. She was scarlet as a serpent, but it seems to me from her feelings about finding out her dragon colour that they don't necessarily keep all the same physical features from their serpent years. The way I remember Shreever though is a much more patient creature - but I guess the frustration of suffering such a lowly fate might change her character a lot - just look how much Paragon has changed (for the better!) because of the small child on his decks!
I'm wondering if Kalo might be Kelaro - both are described as bigger than the others. I'm actually making a list of the 15 dragons and trying to connect names with features - there's at least two green females and the one that is Jerd's dragon (apparently Veras) has gold stipplings - which makes me wish very much that it's actually [[She Who Remembers]]!
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Regarding the question on how to handle spoilers (in general): if you're mentioning something that you think might spoil the plot (for example you compare Fitz and Nevare in a topic that is not a discussion about the Soldier Son books), you should use the spoiler tags for the Fitz parts. Some people might have started reading the SS trilogy first but haven't read the Elderling stories. I know there are also some who have skipped the Liveships, or started with them, but I believe most people have read the Elderling trilogies in the chronological order, so there's no need to blanket things told in the Farseers when discussing the Tawny Man books etc. On the other hand fewer people have read the short stories so things from them should probably be mentioned between the s-tags. There are a few things in the trilogy of trilogies that I think are HUGE spoilers and should ALWAYS be treated carefully - namely the identify of a certain bead maker in LST and the character deaths in FE and FF.
But if a topic is clearly titled for example "Cloven Hooves" there's no need to use the tags inside it. I think the only exception to that is a topic for discussion WHILE reading a BRAND NEW book - a topic like this one, if you guys do want to have separate topics for "while reading" and "finished" in the future - it's fine with me. :smile:
[spoiler=WARNING! Contains high levels of serpent venom... err I mean Dragon names and Hest/Sedric.]
I didn't find the scene(s) with Hest and Sedric controversial at all. I'm actually a bit confused that someone used the word "rape" - the only raping that I think was described was the one time Hest forced Alise to bed with him when she clearly stated "not tonight". I don't think either one of them considered it a rape because as Traders they see everything in the light of contracts and fulfilling them, but what happened was clearly against Alise's will at that moment and she had made it very clear. And then there was of course the mating-attempt that Sintara describes with repulsion...
But the way I understood Sedric's memory of his first encounter with Hest, there was nothing that would indicate it happened against his will. Yeah sure, Sedric was hesitant/scared at first, and most of all tried to act as if he wasn't interested but he's clearly described realizing that this is what he wants and quite quickly responding to Hest. It's very different from those "... but in the end she actually enjoyed what happened to her" descriptions.
BTW, I didn't find Sedric "piggy" at all. Surely he's a bit annoying with his obsessive needs to have "nice things"
but I think he's a character we will see to grow and develop (á la Malta). I think the very ending of the book, the last lines before the final Bird Keeper exchange are an indication of that. Hest on the other hand... I have a feeling he's pretty much set in his ways, much like Kyle Haven was.The serpents/dragons! :heart:
I thought it was pretty obvious that Mercor must be dear [[Maulkin]] - not only because of his physical features but because his somewhat gentle nature and philosophical musings.
For the rest of them... I'm not sure. I hope very much that the silver one with the wounded tail who seems to be slowly awakening to more intelligence willl turn out to be [[Carrion]] (though I don't think it was ever stated in Ship of Destiny what happened to him).
We know for sure from [[Shreever]] (who ends SoD) that she, [[Sessurea]], Maulkin and [[Kelaro]] managed to build cocoons for themselves. We also know that [[Tellur]] and [[Sylic]] never made it. I have a feeling that Sintara might actually be Shreever - it would make sense her voice carries from the end of SoD to the prologue of TDK. She was scarlet as a serpent, but it seems to me from her feelings about finding out her dragon colour that they don't necessarily keep all the same physical features from their serpent years. The way I remember Shreever though is a much more patient creature - but I guess the frustration of suffering such a lowly fate might change her character a lot - just look how much Paragon has changed (for the better!) because of the small child on his decks!
I'm wondering if Kalo might be Kelaro - both are described as bigger than the others. I'm actually making a list of the 15 dragons and trying to connect names with features - there's at least two green females and the one that is Jerd's dragon (apparently Veras) has gold stipplings - which makes me wish very much that it's actually [[She Who Remembers]]!
[/spoiler]
"Green nubs on the dry sticks of the clematis promised that the appearance of death was not death itself." - Ship of Destiny
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