Random lightbulbs that went off over my head while re-reading Liveships (spoilers!)

[Farseer]

Hmm I found this interesting.......
A few pages into Chapter 1, Gankis and Kennit are talking about the legends of the Others and talking about Bards visiting the Others 'in ancient times' and gaining magical voices...
They mention the story of "Kaven Ravenlock who visited the Others for half a hundred years and returned as if but a day had passed for him, but with hair the colour of gold and eyes like red coals and true songs that told of the future in twisted rhymes"

Is is just me or does this remind you of the White Prophets? Probably just a coincidence.......

I love going back over the books and finding the info that her sneaky Hobbness puts right in front of our faces...that's the best bit, for mine! Yes, Nuytsia, I thought the same thing when I can across this passage.

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"colour of gold" and "twisted rhyme" sounds Fool-like to me, and it bears greater significance when coupled with the legend that Fool came from the vicinity of Others' Island on the boat covered by shark-skin, I think it was? I have to go back and refind that passage but I have another comment re about that in the Fool thread. He may not have had "eyes like red coals" but he certainly didn't have human-like eyes either, and both Elderlings and pecksies have various eye colourations. So it, seemed, did WPs.

It also makes me think of the Rooster Crown, filled with bards who give voice, song and insight to the wearer....even someone as 'untalented' as Fitz, or so the minstrels themselves thought! I know I spoke about all this minstrel stuff somewhere else (sorry! ) but it also makes me think of Selden, how he suddenly became capable of speaking of things beyond what he knew, also sometimes in a very sing-song style of speech, imbued by the magic and memories that came with his contact with Tintaglia/the formation of becoming an Elderling.

For me, they are all related. It's not just a White Prophet thing.

As for the timing, re fifty years passing as if for a day, it is the same thing Fitz says of those lovers who use the pillars to escape parents etc as well as a couple of other things, including the time he lost in the Aslevjal pillar. It seems to me that these bards arrived and departed from Others' Island via the pillars in the same fashion...sometimes losing time and sometimes gaining it.

I can't help but also question the use of the raven sigil for Kennit and if there is any sort of link to it and the name Kaven Ravenlock. Still, I am going to begin a sigil/crest thread so maybe we might come up with something there!